The Stones of Fire in Ezekiel 28

A  reader recently asked me about these references. I’m asked this question often enough I thought I’d blog on it. Let me say from the outset that, though I will disagree (with a high degree of security in my mind) with common interpretations, particularly those of Tom Horn and Dave Flynn, I do not regard their identification of the stones of fire with planets wacky.  It’s just not right. I’ll try to explain why.

Here is the passage in Ezekiel (28:14-16; ESV):

14 You were an anointed guardian cherub.

I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God;

in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.

15 You were blameless in your ways

from the day you were created,

till unrighteousness was found in you.

16 In the abundance of your trade

you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned;

so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God,

and I destroyed you, O guardian cherub,

from the midst of the stones of fire.

The passage is part of the diatribe of Ezekiel against the prince of Tyre, in which Ezekiel utilizes the story of a divine being in the garden of Eden who was expelled from the garden. Many scholars think the language speaks of Adam. I believe it refers to the Shining One (the nachash – in my view incorrectly understood as a snake) in Genesis 3.1

The context makes it quite clear that we aren’t talking about planets. How? Because the “stones of fire” are on the holy mountain of God, a reference to the Garden of Eden. Eden?  Yes – if you look at Ezek 28:13 (one verse before the citation above) you’ll see that the anointed cherub is also said to be in Eden (the verse should pup up for you here in this blog).  Anyone familiar with divine council imagery knows that there are two places where Yahweh and his council (like all deities with councils in ancient literature) meet for business and, in fact, “live”–mountains and well-watered gardens. Eden is where Yahweh lived, and that is why Eden is described as both in the Old Testament. I have a whole chapter on this in my book, but suffice it to say here that imagery from Eden is carried on through to other holy (cosmic) mountains ON EARTH – Sinai and Zion. Recall that Sinai was a mountain (a large “stone”) whose top was afire, and where God met people in/with fire (think of the burning bush here, among other scenes on Sinai; Exod 3, Deut 33; Ezekiel 1, 2 Sam 22:4ff., etc.). God often meets people with fire or in association with fire. Additionally, the divine beings associated with Yahweh’s throne room are referred to as “flames of fire” (Psa. 104:4; see also Ezekiel 1′s references to fire).  It’s all very familiar within Old Testament scholarship and the study of Israelite religion. Whoever this is, they are in Eden / the mountain of God – i.e., the place where Yahweh lived at the beginning after he created humans on earth. Nothing unusual.

There is a lot of supporting material for this view. Other than works on the cosmic mountain imagery in the Old Testament and the ancient Near East,2 we can look at the visions of Enoch in the book of 1 Enoch. During his flight through the sky over earth (not on another planet), Enoch sees certain geographical places that are described very similarly to the language in Ezekiel. Note the wordings in the passage below that also appear in Ezekiel 28: fire, precious stones, flame.

1 Enoch 18:6-11

6     I came and saw a place that was burning night and day, where (there were) seven mountains of precious stones-three lying to the east and three to the south. 7/ And of those to the east, <one was> of colored stone, and one was of pearl, and one was of <jasper>. And those to the south were of flame-colored stone. 8/ And the middle one of them reached to heaven like the throne of God-of antimony; and the top of the throne was of lapis lazuli. 9/ And I saw a burning fire. 10     And beyond these mountains is a place, the edge of the great earth; there the heavens come to an end. 11/ And I saw a great chasm among pillars of heavenly fire. And I saw in it pillars of fire descending; and they were immeasurable toward the depth and toward the height.

19:1     And Uriel said to me, “There stand the angels who mingled with the women. And their spirits-having assumed many forms-bring destruction on men and lead them astray to sacrifice to demons as to gods until the day of the great judgment, in which they will be judged with finality. 2/ And the wives of the transgressing angels will become sirens.”3

It’s quite obvious Ezekiel is viewing the earth – he gets as far as the place where the firmament of heaven meets the earth (recall that, in ancient thought — including the Bible — the earth was thought to be round and flat, with a solid dome over its top, the edges of which met the earth’s edge or was “held up” by the mountains).4.

Enoch’s description is actually a striking description of the “world tree” mythology – that the dome over the top of the earth was held up by a huge tall tree (or mountain), which went through the center of the earth, and down into the abyss (note the abyss [“chasm” language in the above citation). The stones of fire = the cosmic mountain, the place where heaven and earth meet, where the gods (or in this case, the God of Israel) lives and renders judgment.  At the bottom of that mountain, in its deep recesses, the sons of God who committed the sin of Genesis 6 are kept imprisoned (read on to 1 Enoch 19:1ff.). This has nothing to do with outer space.

There is a pile of material written on this passage and its associated topics. The best books is: Kelley Coblentz Bautch, A Study of the Geography of 1 Enoch 17-19: ‘No One Has Seen What I Have Seen’ (Leiden: E. J. Brill, 2003). It is very expensive and very technical. Likewise for the discussion of the passages cited above in the best 1 Enoch commentary in print, George Nickelsburg’s (cited below in footnote 3).

Luckily, Google Books allows a preview of some pages in Bautch’s book. I was able to piece together screen shots of 12 pages corresponding to the above discussion. Since these pages are available to public viewing on the web, I felt I could PDF them for you all and link to them HERE.

  1. For more on my views on Genesis 3, readers can subscribe to my newsletter archive (available at www.michaelsheiser.com) to get the draft of my book-in-process on the divine council worldview.
  2. The classic treatment is Richard J. Clifford, The Cosmic Mountain in Canaan and the Old Testament (Harvard Semitic Monographs 4; Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1972.
  3. Nickelsburg, G. W. E., & Baltzer, K. (2001). 1 Enoch : A commentary on the book of 1 Enoch. Includes the text of the Ethiopic book of Enoch in English translation. (276). Minneapolis, Minn.: Fortress.
  4. For the round, flat earth cosmology, see the PowerPoint File here. That the firmament was considered to be SOLID in the Old Testament is obvious from passages like Job 37:18 – “firm as a mirror of cast metal”)

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40 thoughts on “The Stones of Fire in Ezekiel 28

  1. Wow, I am thoroughly exhausted after trying to read this comment section.

    I had no idea people could write this much on a blog. I really need to start leaving longer comments. ;)

  2. Kevin, I so totally agree with you. I thrilled just to be able to read through all this stuff-understand at least some of it- much less write anything that resembles it. LOL

    But I did have a simple thought (as I come at this with little background), and that is on the issue of the serpent/nachash and its being craftier than any other beast of the field. Would it not be possible that another reason Eve was so taken with the nachash was that it simply was “craftier”(?) meaning: more intelligent and more interesting? Up to that point, we only know that the Yahweh “walked with them in the cool of the day”. This seems to simply that it was done on his terms alone. Now, since Eve came from Adam’s side…is it not possible that those two knew one another extremely well? To me, this, again, seems to suggest that Eve was possibly taken with the “newness/diffence/diversity” of the nachash. Almost as though she was getting bored with what she did have around her. Sometimes we make things too difficult.

    As my granddaughter would have said…”Grandma, Eve was just wanting another nice friend to play with”! Oops.

    This might well be a reminded that we need to hold tightly to that which is well-known and familiar (such as Torah), rather than wanting to venture forth into unknown territory as did Eve. I don’t know? But it was just a thought. And it does go to show that “all that glitters(as did the Shining One)might not be gold”, despite its appearance to the contrary!

  3. it seems you think cherubims are stupid,the reason humanity overflows angels is because they are not the complete package.very clever one yes,very loving another yes,very angry another yes.humans are a complete package angels can,t top.
    so they use others to put humans down or restrict there development,which you might be helping with greed ,ignorance or believing lies.

  4. MSH: Your attempt a lucid response has failed .
    Rubbish my good man: utter rubbish!

    Cheers

    DR. RW Sinclair Stoufus

    • although I don’t know what this is about (maybe it’s related to an old thread) you sound like an doofus, Dr. Stoufus. Now, if you can refrain from name calling, can you remind me what this is about?

  5. BLOP2008: I wonder should it be possible for both yourself and your unlearned associate “MSH” to receive a refund of sorts for the $39.95 U.S you obviously pilfered on Internet Bible study courses?

    DR. RW Sinclair Stoufus

  6. Wow very interesting debate o condemnations by Ezechiel. Michael wrote : YOu seem to think that because the cycles are against the prince of Tyre and Babylon that they don’t refer to another non-human entity.

    I wonder what Ezekiel would write about our current american empire? Would the religious condemnation rather be politically motivated to some extent? it is a entire new debate.

    Michael, to whom the Ezekiel writings attributed to? is it attributed to Moses?

  7. Here a a suggested site for the Tomb of Ezekiel,,, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel%27s_Tomb.
    in he Wiki, it i suggested that Dhul-Kift would be ezekiel.. err I am skeptical at best as both these men appears different. Could 2 people share the same tomb?

    Video of the tomb- noticeable is hebrew writings..

    http://higher-criticism.com/2010/01/muslims-destroying-prophet-ezekiels-tomb.html

    http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2010/10/21/yechezkels-kever/

  8. Ps.82:5 to 8 First MAN was created above in spirit form. Genesis 6:3 Man entered the Vessel Flesh of male or female and Man entered the Vessel with a broken off spirit that does not always strive with G-D’S Spirit.

    In the Vessel of all Mankind G-D redeems His seeds that came after MAN’S FALL. Every Day that comes we are all redeemed and all given the SAME spiritual DNA from the House of G-D Jeremiah 31:27 for Days Come in all our life times. Jeremaih 32:27.

    Proverbs 20:27 The Spirit of Man is the CANDLE of THE LORD, searching all the INWARD PARTS of the BELLY.

    We are to grow back with a Right Spirit-With-in-Us. To seek out G-D to heal what He broke off.

    Psalm 51:8 Make me to HEAR joy and gladness; that the bones which Thou has broken may rejoice.

    Psalm 51:11 Cast me not away from Thy Presence; and take not Thy Holy Spirit from me.

    We must draw G-D in holy union with us, that we may enter in His Spirit.

    To enter in THE ETERNAL FLAME OF HEAVEN it bruns NIGHT & DAY on the reverse side. Spiritual speaking THIS DAY is forever for TIME can not contain G-D nor does it exist above the earth.

    THIS DAY is were we enter in HOLY UNION with G-D and His Spirit. Deut.29:13-14 verse 15 note THIS DAY G-D embraced us in His heart & mind. THIS DAY is were we NOW make our choices to chose good and life or evil and death. Deut.30:15-16 -19-20 THIS DAY our G-D set it in PLACE for our return to the FORMER THING first Done above. Ecc.1:9. Our APPOINTED DAY the LORD made for our Re-turn to the FORMER THING first DONE shall be DONE: but under the shadow of the Almighty in the Presence of The Most High. Psalm 91:1.

    This happens when we HEAR the instructions of G-D Proverbs 1:7-8 and enter in His Spirit, His Womb, His BELLY to grow it is HIS LAW, the Declare Decree: Psalm 2:7 and Psalm 17:15.

    BUT those we fell with , those Princes Psalm 82:5 to 8 verse 7 Princes. They remained spirits in the earth . Psalm 75:12 and Psalm 2:1 to 7 War on G-D and His anointed in the earth. They hid in all forms of things Isaiah 28:15. Religions were made and rituals, customs, and holy days and feast days in these Relgions Isaiah 1:12-13-14 G-D did not ask this from your hand and HATES IT.

    G-D told the SONS OF G-D not to write many books or study them. Ecc.12:12 they did not listen. And they added and added to the WHOLE DUTY of mankiind in them Ecc.12:13 and Isaiah 30:1.

    They never let the people see that to ReTurn was to enter in THE ETERNAL FLAME OF HEAVEN SPIRITUAL ENTER IN. To light their desires to HIS. Pslam 51:6 BEHOLD, Thou desirest truth in the INWARD PARTS: ( that remember searches the BELLY ) and in the Hidde Part Thou shalt MAKE me Know wisdom. Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will MAKE with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put MY LAW in their INWARD PARTS; and write it in their hearts; and will be their G-D, and they shall be MY people.

    We are to stretch froth our spiritual cords that UNITE us with G-D of Heaven & Earth in Holy Uniion.

    King Solomon seek out the One Whom His soul does love and drew G-D near . Song of Solomon 3:1 to 4. The Chamber opens and we are conceived again in spirit in the vessel flesh of male or female A NEW CREATION in the earth A WOMAN Jeremiah 31:22.

    We are the STONES of 1 Kings 6:7 that was gathered and made ready strong for HIMSELF Ps.80:15 and Psalm 118:22-23 we entered THIS DAY. Ps.118:24.

    We are the STONES OF FIRE in the earth…Stones of healing, we entered HIS WOMB Jer.1:5 to 10 and stand up now in the midst of many people and nations. We are to tear down and build up . We are the battle axe and weapons of war in His hand. Jeremiah 51:20 the seeds of PROMISE DAN & JUDAH that will pull down DEATH the horse and his rider Prince of lies and deceits. Jeremaih 51:21

  9. Iam from above and below. Once a ray of light around His Thrown .

    Job 33:4 The spirit of G-D hath made me, ( MAN above a god a spirit form that entered a vessel of FLESH Ps.82: 5 to 8 read verse 6 MAN in a broken spirit, verse 8 first MAN in a vessel of flesh of male or female now in a new creation in the earth below a new thing done: for it is written: Ecc.1:9 ‘shall be done:. Yes Done a New Creation a NEW THING in the Presence of The Most High under the shadow of the Almighty. Ps.91:1 and Jeremiah 31:22 a WOMAN spiritual in the vessel flesh of male or female. The LAST shall be the FIRST and the FIRST the LAST.

    Now: Look, Listen SEE and HEAR MAN above is WOMAN below…

    Job 33:4 The SPIRIT OF G-D hath made me ( MAN above ), and the BREATH of the Almighty hath given me life. ( A WOMAN below is healed from what spiritualy was broken off by G-D )

    Psalm 51:8 MAKE me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which Thou hast BROKEN may rejoice.

    Psalm 18:15 Then the channels of waters were SEEN ( Isaiah35:8 ), and the Foundations of The World were Descovered at Thy rebuke, O LORD, at the BLAST OF THE BREATH OF THY NOSTRILS.

    Psalm 18:16 HE sent from ABOVE, HE took me, HE drew me OUT of many waters.

    Isaiah 35:8 And the HIGHWAY shall BE THERE, and a WAY, and it shall be called THE WAY OF HOLINESS; the unclean shall not pass over it; WAYFARING MEN, though fools, shall not err thereIN.

    The world as you see it, is nothing, the KINGDOM OF G-D as we see it has been moved out from your TIME in space. There is no TIME in Eternity is just does not exist for us.

  10. I am the from what was PLANTED by Jeremiah for G-D Himself made strong to grow back in HIS RIGHT HAND. First created above MAN now created below WOMAN made in His fullness a SON OF G-D . Summoned from Dan & Judah I Stand Up His Tent in the earth. Jeremiah 4:5 For a voice declareth form DAN, and PUBLISHETH affliction form mount Ephraim. 16 Make ye mention to the nations; BEHOLD, publish against Jerusalem, that WATCHERS COME from a FAR COUNTRY, and give out their voice against the cities of JUDAH.

    REad the full chapter: WATCHERS COME from a FAR COUNTRY.

    YOu are not alone in the CREATION of G-D …there are others many…Look, Listen to some that may or may not come and Rule over you….all about your choices you are making in your life. Jer.33:25-26 note the end words in verse 26 and Micah 5:15.

    Look, Listen you are NOT alone…never was or never will be alone..Jeremaih 5:15-17 and Jeremiah 6:22-23 and Jeremiah 50:41-42 and LOOK, LISTEN on this earth there are others… all you 1# INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD 2# and DWELLERS ON THE EARTH. read Isaiah 18:3 then read the rest of chapter 18.

    G-D addresses THE WHOLE EARTH in Isaiah 18: for a REASON to OPEN your EYES and EARS , look and listen….WAKE UP ! I have not made you alone….Gen.4:14 the house of Cain is above you off the face of this earth, only to fly over and look down never to settle down ever again in the earth.

  11. When learned men or woman come upon TRUTH that others speak of they use the MSH to explain away they DO not KNOW what is being said. humm

    So Listen UP ! you who have not grown ears to hear and eyes to see.

    Isaiah 10:16 Therefore shall the LORD, the LORD OF HOST, send among HIS fat ones leanness: ( you my little worms in your Graves spiritual dead…have eaten up your own fat and NOT from the TABLE OF THE LORD as Jacob your for father did Gen.28:20-21 nor did you come into the house of His Father in Peace.)….and under HIS glory HE shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

    We are the STONES OF FIRE from above that His Spirit MADE ready to Build His Temple above 1 Kings 6:7 and below Psalm 118:22-23.

    Isaiah 10:17 And the LIGHT OF ( G-D) ISRAEL shall be for a FIRE, and His Holy One for a FLAME: and it shall burn and devour HIS thorns and his briers in one day.

    Proverbs 20:27 The SPIRIT of MAN is the CANDLE of the LORD, searching all the INWARD PARTS of the BELLY.

    We have lighten our hearts & minds DESIRES from THE ETERNAL FLAME OF HEAVEN that burns in the Heart & Minds Desire of G-D. Psalm 51:6 we search the INWARD PARTS of the BELLY and are BEGOTTEN sons of G-D. Together we come to let HIS SPIRIT weave us TOGETHER one people Jeremiah 31:33. We are the CURTAINS that were riped apart in HIS HOUSE. Read for understanding what must come…into the house of G-D. Jeremiah 10:20. See who cuts and rips Ps.2:1 to 7. verse 7 is the CORDS they cut down. It is G-D’S LAW when you HEAR and OBEY. Jer.11:7-8 and Proverbs 1:7-8.

    Isaiah 6:9 And He said, GO, and tell this people, HEAR YE indeed, but understand NOT: and SEE YE indeed but preceive NOT.

    Isaiah 6:9 Make the heart of this people FAT, and make their ears HEAVY, and SHUT there ears, least they see with their eyers; and hear with there ears, and understand with their heart, and ovnvert a, and be healed.

    You study the many books of mankind and princes…in the earth The angel of darkenss, his spiritual wickedness hid in them all. Over and Over you were told to LOOK, and LISTEN but you are sooooooo puffed up in your own knowledge, there is NO breath of the Almighty in you.

    Jeremiah 10:14 EVERY man is brutish in his KNOWLEDGE: EVERY founder ( of all relgions every one) is CONFOUNDED by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. 15 They are all vanity , and work of errors: in the time of their visitation, they shall PERISH. ( over it is written to look, listen you stiff necked people walking in dung ! your spiritual DEAD walking with these gods…DEAD….little worm of Jacob . Come Up out of your Graves and take hold of the LIVING G-D THE G-D OF HOST, you are spilling your seeds out, enter in HIS WOMB in THIS DAY forever with Him Jeremiah 10:20. Be given the BREATH of the ALMIGHTY. CHOSE LIFE not death. read Micah 4:5 rethink.

    Isaiah 34:16 seek out the BOOK OF THE LORD for His Spirit gathers you into HIS WOMB.

    ECCLESIASTES 12:12 And further, by these, MY SON, be ADMONISHED: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

    ECCLESIASTES 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the WHOLE MATER: FEAR G-D, and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: for this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MANKIND.

    But mankind added and added in their many books G-D told them NOT TO MAKE or STUDY…and added feast days , holy days, sabbaths days, new moon, and rituals, customs and so on and so on it just does not end to the WICKEDNESS of your INAGINATIONS . read Jeremiah 11:7-8 THIS DAY come in and grow ears to hear and eyes to see, heal that broken spirit-with-in-you. Isaiah 1:12-13-14 and Isaiah 1:5-6-7 Re-think.

  12. The “stones of fire” are your ten planets found in the Garden of God (outter space) and not some hills up in Heaven, the mountain of God (Ezekiel 28:13)…. The Dragon Cherub (Lucifer) used to walk up and down these planets (Ezekiel 28:13-14) and govern the pre-Adam physical Man in his various physical enterprises in the cities, not caves, on the planets (Ezekiel 28:16, 18)….When Lucifer sinned, God had to make the planets “without form and void” and wipe out the first physical man (Jeremiah 4:23-26). He turned off the light (which was not our sun) and froze the water covering the earth, starting the ice age (Jeremiah 4:23 and Genesis 1:2).

  13. Michael,
    Hello!
    Check out amazon.com to purchase 2 books by KAT KERR

    REVEALING HEAVEN VOL I and REVEALING HEAVEN VOL II.

    In Vol II go to Chapter 7, page 81 for the revelation of the “stones of fire”.

    May you encounter Yahweh while reading this book in such a way that you are NEVER … EVER… the same again.

    Great grace be unto you from Yahweh, GREAT grace and DEEP love from His heart to yours.

    Sincerely
    Mrs Webb

  14. In reply to Mountain Saint Oct 6, 2012:

    I also urge you to get hold of a copy of Kat Kerr’s book “Revealing Heaven Vol II”.

    Read pages 50-55 to get an accurate and exciting understanding of creation, the ice age, satan etc. The TRUTH is far more amazing and makes more sense than what we try and explain away with our own understanding. I pray you hunger and thirst after righteousness.

    Be blessed by Yeshua, the Way, the Truth and the Life.

    Matthew 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled.

    Sincerely
    Mrs Webb

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