19 July 2009
Ancient Elongated Skulls: Alien Remains?
Posted by MSH under: Ancient Astronauts .
Nope. For those who’d like a longer answer, read on.
We’ve all heard people on radio talk shows go on and on about the “mysterious” elongated skulls from South America. There are those who say that scientists and scholars refuse to look at this evidence, or that the same are befuddled to explain them. Not true, and not true. These skulls are so well known that you can buy replicas of them-sold by medical supply companies for the purposes of studying the deformation. Here’s an example from this medical supply company:
Anthropologists have actually been publishing on these skulls since the 19th century. Here are two examples from the 1860s and 1880s (scroll down a bit in each from the top to find the beginning):
On the Cranial Characters of Peruvian Races of Men
Here’s a more modern analysis of the cause of the head deformation: skull binding. How do they know it’s skull binding? Because the devices used to bind the skulls have also been found by archaeologists.
Artificial Cranial Deformation at a Tiwanaku Complex (1995)
If you’re wondering, “Yeah, but what about Akehnaten and those weird skulls?” I already blogged that here, posting a 2009 medical journal article on this.<-->
24 Comments so far...
Alien Fetus in King Tut’s Tomb? | PaleoBabble Says:
24 July 2009 at 1:32 PM.
[...] recreations created by the same medical supply company that I linked to a few posts ago about elongated skulls. (And there are more examples at the medical supply link). Everyone that goes through medical [...]
max Says:
4 January 2010 at 12:31 PM.
your article does not disprove the alien theory, it only proves that the recent discoveries are nothing new and that some of the skulls could have been conditioned to look that way by humans. the question still remains, “why did humans all around the world, who had no contact with one another, all come up with this same ritual?” If you do some research, you will find that the tribes who performed skull-binding also have their entire culture geared around the worship of “sun-gods”, who were depicted to have elongated skulls. These clues certainly do not prove anything, but they paint a fairly obvious picture of what might have been a species not of this planet. UNfortunately, most people throw all logic out the door when these theories are mentioned, as if such possibilities are some form of new-age blasphemy.
MSH Says:
4 January 2010 at 1:35 PM.
@max: please provide us with bibliography (real peer-reviewed material) that have the “same” rituals with the “same” results “all over the world.”
Dr Shaun Goncho Says:
16 February 2010 at 9:06 AM.
You are one of the most objectionable assholes I have had the mis-fortune to come across in along time.
I would guess that you are an american and have some pro-jewish agenda. I have strongly disagreed with sitchin but you are embarrasment to academia.
No one is in possesion of all of the correct interpretations of near east writings, and as such there are many areas whose interpretation is far from secure even if accepted by peers. You can find evidence to argue against every point you have made, but I notice that you, just like sitchin cherry pick your sources to fit your own paradigm.
Your feeble attempts to dismiss ancient astronaut theory is on par with that of a fifth grade student.
Ancient man has been obsessed with depicting humanoids who came from the sky. Mesoamerica is rife with such.
The human psyche likes to immitate it’s hero’s and saviours. Hence the binding of the skulls – You moron!
The only thing that you have said that is correct is that sitchin is wrong!!
Congratulations idiot!
I have just had my theory that US degrees are not worth the paper they are written on. Proven correct.
MSH Says:
16 February 2010 at 1:09 PM.
@Dr Shaun Goncho: I’ve approved your comment so that readers can benefit from the solid evidence and argumentation that you’ve brought to the table. Brilliant.
Ken Yakovac Says:
17 February 2010 at 7:07 PM.
FWIW, with regard to similar rituals elsewhere in the world, In Verlag Heinrich Scheffler’s ICH FAND DEN WEISSEN GOTT (In Quest of the White God) he shows the marked similarity between Mayan glyph symbols and Cretan ‘linear A’. The Maya themselves said they received their script from the White God Kukulcan. Perhaps other customs were adopted from these visitors from across the sea. Who can say?
MSH Says:
19 February 2010 at 1:14 AM.
The book doesn’t happen to actually give a citation reference (some text) where the Mayans “say” this does it? If so, please send it along to me.
Burkaninja Says:
24 February 2010 at 10:07 AM.
Ken Yakovac: “the marked similarity between Mayan glyph symbols and Cretan ‘linear A’.”
You do know that the Cretan script is a thousand years older than the Mayan script, I hope? So please explain to me where it hibernated undetected for a millennium before somehow sailing bravely westwards to end up in the Yucatan etc.
As for all this alien stuff: if there is medical, scientific (Akhenaten, etc) or cultural (North & South American natives binding skulls) evidence that explains deformations, then I will sooner believe that than some “alien hypothesis” that there is no evidence at all for. Of course, you could provide me some evidence to make me change my mind :p
People across the world have practiced body deformations throughout all time. The Chinese to make women’s feet small and dainty, the Maori to get those pretty tattooos on their faces, Western women using corsets to get those wasp waists, various tribal peoples scarring their faces and bodies in patterns, etc, etc. And all to fill that culture’s special “beauty” criteria, and that is not even bringing in genetics (like the steatopygian people in Punt when Hatshepsut sent her expedition there).
(Sorry if my English is bad; it is not my native language.)
Anonymous Says:
1 March 2010 at 10:27 AM.
rember that if ur right an left lobe r closer u have less distance to travel between the two and the closer u get the less electro chemical waves u need to preform the same task as a “normal” brain.I instictively deduce that is the reason for mayans pictographs to be 4dimensional in apparance u put them in a topograpical mapping program and tell me they r not!it is the reasons for 4d structures in every society that practiced this art(egyptians-pyramids mayans-pyramids asians-pyramids etc.etc.etc.)there is more meaning to this than science can explain without integrating it with soul evolution!we r not the first highly evovled society and you dont have to take only science path to become one there are many ways to evovle we have chosen this one!the mayans and egyptian chose thiers to help modify the human race to reach higher points of evovulution,as well as attaining the highest they could reach!it may sound farfetched but i hear a tiny voice (saying ur right or wrong)when i set out to do something and it always turns out to be right even if the idea was so off the wall i ? its origin i know older races have heard those voices and prolly louder than we do!youll see soon enough what i mean
Mercury Says:
20 June 2010 at 7:03 AM.
It is not possible to create more brain space or skull tissue. Prior to visiting this forum, I was under the impression that was common knowledge. I implore you to investigate more with less bias for the mainstream. After all, isn’t one who is skeptical of anything outside of the mainstream truly a proponent of it and therefore the opposite of what a skeptic is supposed to be?
MSH Says:
20 June 2010 at 11:54 PM.
skeptics are fine and welcome if they have intelligent arguments. Taking the word of Zecharia Sitchin over the words of the Sumerians themselves is something fools do.
tony k Says:
24 June 2010 at 6:23 PM.
I would like to know ho you MSH are so convinced that all of Sitchin’s work is nonsense. Aren’t you open to possibility or closed to any idea that humans and earth have been visited before. You must know that notables such as F Crick who discovered DNA structure, Einstein somewhat, Carl Sagan when stoned, and many other reputable scientists “believe” in panspermia. The idea that in Assyrian the word for Jupiter can only be Nibiru is a bit short sighted. Why is that dictionary true and the only interpretation? When it was written, scholars did not believe America was visited by Vikings. Nobody thought hybrid creatures could be made in the 1950s outside of sci-fi fans. The history of science changed over time and perception changes. if the scholars who created these dictionaries knew about more modern abilities and the plethora of stars and planets in ourt galaxy alone, they may have thought differently. until you come up with a Sumerian text that says “no aliens ever came and gave us ideas, and that zigarrut (sp?) was only a weather balloon stand,” then you must allow for possibility and stop creating fame by bashing those who raise questions.
PlanosLie Says:
1 July 2010 at 11:25 AM.
“until you come up with a Sumerian text that says “no aliens ever came and gave us ideas, and that zigarrut (sp?) was only a weather balloon stand,” then you must allow for possibility and stop creating fame by bashing those who raise questions.”
>>>
Is not the burden of proof the responsibility of the contender? Now who’s contending here?
MSH Says:
1 July 2010 at 9:56 PM.
You are correct. This quotation is easily one of the most ridiculous comments on the blog. Readers will enjoy it. So…by this logic (produce a text for what DIDN’T happen and I’ll believe it didn’t happen), I need to produce a Sumerian text that SAYS Spongebob Squarepants didn’t travel back in time to Sumeria and help them build ziggurats. Crud. I can’t do that … so I guess it’s a possibility!
Folks, next time you hear someone who has had logic say something like “you can’t prove a negative” — please remember this comment.
The burden of proof is on the one making a claim. My claim is “there are no texts that say XYZ — here’s the website or bibliography for you to check.” Sitchin’s claim is that XYZ *is* in the texts.” Same method of validation. But let’s think — if I was right, if I wasn’t absolutely SURE that XYZ is not in these texts, how super-easy would it be to just look it up, find it, and prove me wrong.
Sorry, there are no Sumerian texts that have the Anunnaki on planet nibiru, or that have nibiru coming through our solar system every 3600 years (nibiru was an ANNUAL observation according to MUL.APIN, a SUMERIAN astronomical text), or that has nibiru as a planet beyond Pluto (those irritating Mesopotamian ASTRONOMICAL TEXTS [hint, they are about astronomy] only know planets as far out as Saturn.
What a wonderful lesson in illogic.
gw Says:
20 July 2010 at 1:34 AM.
Either way you stand i’ve been searching for proof for almost everything essentially. What I do know is that i’ve seen no proof of ufo, 2012, god’s, bigfoot, etc…. However stating such a statement includes a degrees of backlash for example: We both realize there are star’s just as we can realize there is pebbles of sand. To have as many species of life on this planet alone,The estimated number of animals on our planet falls somewhere in the vast range of 3-30 million species (Erwin 1983, Wolosz 1988). And then on to star’s, Astronomers estimate there are about 100 thousand million stars in the Milky Way alone. Outside that, there are millions upon millions of other galaxies also! Now onto my point there is without a doubt life on other planets shear math provides enough % to be so. I don’t have an agenda don’t have a strong desire to prove or dis prove anyone’s readings, but there is life on our planet and off our planet and perhaps our planet is alive it self. Time magazine and other authors and several science based individuals have made there finding’s known. Take care MSH and if you find proof there is no life and were all alone in this planet, let me know i’d pretty much be surprised to tenth of tenth degrees.
MSH Says:
20 July 2010 at 11:49 PM.
yes – you’re the one that has the hard science in hand and everyone else has missed it or not been persuaded by it. And then you ask me to prove the negative. YOU are the one making the assertion — and a positive one (“there are aliens out there”). That is a provable or falsifiable assertion. That means (if we care about science and logic) that YOU have the burden of proof, not me. Let me illustrate. Here’s my assertion: “in great antiquity, around the time of the flood pigs could fly.” Anyone who can walk and chew gum at the same time would say “prove that / what’s your proof.” I apply your logic: “Prove to me it wasn’t so.” Since you can’t travel back in time to prove the negative, I can then walk away believing that pigs once flew. Wonderful.
Kristi Says:
24 July 2010 at 2:30 AM.
Dr Shaun Goncho has a serious problem. I hope he is not exposed to young minds.
Mike reid Says:
18 August 2010 at 10:25 PM.
Mr Heiser thank you for your answers to all the tough questions. I dont know if God is real or if aliens are real. I cant explain why millions of people all over the world claim to have seen some sort of UFO but this whole idea about the oldest civilation known to man wrote about aliens really had me going. But thanks to you i am back to normal. Do you beleive in GOD??
MSH Says:
22 August 2010 at 4:05 PM.
Yes. Thanks for the reply!
temps13 Says:
25 August 2010 at 7:54 PM.
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT SITCHIN IS WRONG,HERE,ALL OF YOUR LINKS..I THINK SHAUN GONCHO IS RIGHT,IVE SEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT THE ANUNNAKI TEXTS DONT REFER TO ACTUAL EVENTS..YOUR ATTEMPTS TO SHOW HOW CLEVER YOU ARE HAVE GOT YOU LOOKING,INDEED,LIKE A 5TH YEAR STUDENT..YES SITCHIN ATTENDED THE FABIAN SOCIETYS LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS & WORKS OUT OF THE ROCKEFELLER CENTRE BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN HE HASNT TRANSLATED THE TEXTS FAIRLY ACCURATELY..IE NOT DISSIMILAR TO KRAMERS OR MILLARD OR PARKS,KING,CAMPBELL,ALL THOSE GUYS..SORRY DID I LEAVE THE CAPS ON? DONT MEAN TO SHOUT
MSH Says:
26 August 2010 at 6:13 PM.
another one for the ignorance hall of fame. No, my site doesn’t prove anything — like when I show you how to search for references to the Anunnaki (182 of them) in Sumerian texts online, only to discover that none of the ET nonsense Sitchin says about them is real. But I’m guessing (just a wild guess) that you never looked. I love it when stuff like this is posted, since it will live forever on the site as a real-time illustration of why this blog (and my site) exists.
Dot Humps Says:
1 September 2010 at 4:48 PM.
I see that you are trying to educate the public about your findings. I am always wary of people who seem overly interested in debunking others’ ideas. I keep an open mind and I think that is really the way to go when it comes to living one’s life. The tone of your website seems close-minded and fearful. When people’s ideas and beliefs are challanged people react in different ways; some look at new ideas with wonder and curiosity, others get angry and do whatever they can to debunk these new ideas. You fit into this second category. Still, a very interesting site. Gave me another perspective to plug into my reality!
MSH Says:
1 September 2010 at 11:45 PM.
These aren’t “my findings.” I’m just giving access to information — you know, instead of taking someone’s word for something (which would be propagandizing). If you want to understand why I do this, read the front page to my http://www.sitchiniswrong.com site. It isn’t complicated. I feel an obligation to say something about nonsense related to my fields of interest and expertise.
