Noah’s Ark PaleoBabble Update

This is a sad post for me.  Read on and you’ll know why.

Fox News reported today about a joint Turkish-Chinese expedition that claims to have found Naoh’s ark on Mount Ararat.  Part of their proof is the picture below, which purports to have been taken inside the ark. Allegedly, the wooden beams carbon-date to 4,800 years old. Would that be cool or what?

Now the sad part. I also got an email today from one of Randall Price’s students. The email contains a message from Dr. Price about this expedition. (Dr. Price, as some of you may recall, has been doing a lot of searching for the ark lately.) Here is an excerpt from his message:

I was the archaeologist with the Chinese expedition in the summer of 2008 and was given photos of what they now are reporting to be the inside of the Ark. I and my partners invested $100,000 in this expedition (described below) which they have retained, despite their promise and our requests to return it, since it was not used for the expedition. The information given below is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard (from others who claim to have been eyewitnesses or know the exact details).

To make a long story short: this is all reported to be a fake. The photos were reputed to have been taken off site near the Black Sea, but the film footage the Chinese now have was shot on location on Mt. Ararat. In the late summer of 2008 ten Kurdish workers hired by Parasut, the guide used by the Chinese, are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. In the winter of 2008 a Chinese climber taken by Parasut’s men to the site saw the wood, but couldn’t get inside because of the severe weather conditions. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film. As I said, I have the photos of the inside of the so-called Ark (that show cobwebs in the corners of rafters – something just not possible in these conditions) and our Kurdish partner in Dogubabyazit (the village at the foot of Mt. Ararat) has all of the facts about the location, the men who planted the wood, and even the truck that transported it.

In short, Randall was duped. I feel bad about it because I know him. He’s a good guy with real degrees (so please don’t equate him with charlatans like Ron Wyatt). Yeah, he should have known better. But at least he’s being honest here.

160 thoughts on “Noah’s Ark PaleoBabble Update

    • This is fun. Yeah. No possibility anyone could have dragged wood up a mountain. No – it MUST be the ark. My favorite line in the piece, though, has to be this one: “Scientists also postulated another possibility is space aliens put it there.” Yeah. Right. I wonder which “scientists” are saying space aliens came here and put the ark here (or a few random timbers). Let me guess. They earned their PhDs at the University of Roswell.

  1. @MSH: This is actually a rather old discovery. They claimed to have found pieces of dung from every continent in the world, and that the area was rich in animal-life. That’s the only article on it. It goes to show that you really can’t trust all these ark claims, and as of yet NAMI has to show us proof that is even a boat. As that article states, It’s much more likely the ark did land in Iran, and was dismantled and destroyed by future generations.

  2. Ok, ok, but you don’t want to be a mere scoffer. The possibility is real that the ark (given it being historical) could survive. My money is on the noaharksearch.net people, at least as far as plausible-so-far goes.

    MSH, you’re right on the appeal to space aliens. Reminds me of Dr. Francis Crick’s directed panspermia idea. He admitted biological life was too complex to have arisen on earth by natural means, but instead of acknowledging a superintelligent creator he opted for alien intervention. That’s just side-stepping the issue – he moved the problem to another planet without dealing with it.

  3. Adan, at least if you consider the biblical record, it says the ark came to rest ‘upon the mountains of Ararat’. It was not until 2 and 1/2 months later that the tops of nearby mountains could even be seen, and Mt. Ararat is the highest peak in Turkey, so it is a feasible choice.

    As to dismantling it for firewood or building materials, its possible that was unnecessary because of log mats left laying around from the flood. Too, it may have quickly become pretty difficult to get to the ark because of its elevation and access slope.

  4. arifsaleh, I went to shipnoah.com, but the English translation feature would not work – I can’t read Arabic.

  5. 9/10/2010

    Hi ! I hope you’re having a great Day! … For the latest in the NAMI-(Noah’s Ark Ministries International) Noah’s Ark claim according to my research and my other realetd videos on the subject of Noah’s Ark based upon new data and possible evidence never seen before please refer to these urls in my response to this subject. Thank you !

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    Ron Stewart

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    #2).-“NOAH’S ARK ; OR HOAX”..?-(PART-1)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg-ESL2pTZg

    #3).).-“NOAH’S ARK ; OR HOAX”..?-(PART-2)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_m6Fb-BgQ

    #4).-“NOAH’S ARK ; HOAX, OR CAVE”..?-(PART-3)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of7uU_aUB8Q

    #5).- NOAH’S ARK OR A HOAX..? MAYBE NOT-(ARTICLE ABOUT NAMI’S POSSIBLE CLAIM) http://rs-857.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/07/4624701-noahs-ark-claim-4272010-may-not-be-a-hoax-a-detailed-update

    #6).-NOAH’S ARK ; WHY NOT A BOX; DURUNIPAR OR ARARAT ANOMALY-(PART-1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM2Ucy0imGg

    #7).-NOAH’S ARK ; WHAT IS THE TRUE SHAPE AND DESIGN…?-(PART-2) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHmE5U9B7I

    #8). ” TREASURES OF ARARAT – PART -1 ”

  6. Hello sir , how are you , i want to know why you said Ron Wyatt is a charlatan ? please give me reasons and prooves . thanks.

  7. The true noah,s ark was founded on mountain of Judi.Turkey.Koran,muslim holy book,said noah,s ark landed on mounts Judi.Bible said on muntains of Ararat.Ararat is ancient name for the area and there are many mountains in ancient ararat.So,both Koran and bible are true.Our prophet,muhammad pbuh said,dont reject all jews and christian knowledge and dont recieve all of its.That because,some bible verses was corrupted.So bible have some true verses by Allah (go),by prophets and some by by evil man.Some of these mens is Paulus,the decieve.Hear to dr jerald kirk on you tube ti know the bible,s history.Dr jerald kirk was convrted to islam.So many europeon christian was converted to islam after the true history and science evidence was revealed,because there are many top scholar there,in many knowledge such as relegion comparative,history,sceince.Work hard to find yourlucks in here and at here after.Peeeace.

  8. Bible said that only eight or seven people built the ark.But Ibnu abbas,famous muslim scholar,said there are eighty three people built that ark.eight man cant built that big ark.May be somebody make mistake when recite the true verses of the bible.eigthy three man are suitable to built such a big ark.We muslim believe noah ark story.It is told in our holy book,alquraan.Our obligation to believe all quran<s verses.Thre are no corruption in our holy books.Some christian believe ,muhamad pbuh copied it from bible,Plsm,Torah,but Muhammmad pbuh cant read even arabic language.How he can sopy the quran from bible tha written in Aramic,hebrew and Latin?.He has no relegious teacher at mecca,where he spreading Islam.Muhammad ppuh cant write and reading,even in arabic.And there are no aramic and Latin university at the time.Thinks it slowly.

    • I really don’t care what the Quran says about much of this, since it post-dates both the OT and the NT, and lifts a lot of content directly out of the those books. But you are correct that the Quran does differ in these details. Yes, he did copy, but he didn’t write the Quran either. The Quran is like the OT, for example — that many hands forever unknown to history played a part in its creation. This is known because multiple editions of Quran manuscripts exists that do not agree (i.e., the Quran, like the Bible, is subject to “textual criticism” based on ancient manuscripts). One can still assign divine origin for it, but that is a faith statement. What one cannot claim and be on concert with reality is that there was only one that has never changed. That is demonstrably false (as it is with the Bible — contrary to what many Christians want to believe or say, the task of tracing all the manuscripts back to “THE” original is impossible — it requires omniscience).

  9. Dont try to find noah ark on mount of ararat.Nothing there.you will waste your money and your days.Noah ark was found on mount Judi,one of mountaians of ancient ararat.Believe me.

  10. Like jesus,(Isa pbuh) peace be upon him) him self, Muhammad pbuh sent from god to peoples to guide them to know true god and have lovely life and peace.Muhammad know not about world history including noah ark story.There are some jews priest at Madinah.But Muhammad lived in Makkah.He never learn anything from jews or christian priest.He spokke truly since he was child.All people in makkah called him alAmin,mean truthfully.Quran was not from him,Quran was from God to Gibriel and then to ,muhammad pbuh.There are many big basic sciences in Quran such big bag,the sun cycling around on its own place and many more.You can read all of its on your conputer.You all must work hard to find the truth.I only want to self people from the hell that no body can take it.Peeeaaace to all mankind-Islamic teacher from Malaysian.

  11. There are too many religous debate on internate,on your tube.Hear these all.Some of them was great Christian scholar in religion and sciences whom turn to Islam by their well knowledge in religion comparative and sciences and astronomy.We the west, dosent have many top scholar like the west had.Civilization let the west have many top scholar.The east lack of civilization.Arabic civilization was stopped many centuries a go.I thinked they not united them self,killed each others.They not follow alquran and prophets,and they sanked.Know thw ewst leading on all nations .They have many advance knowledge. True knowledge will led human to their true god or relegion.Peeaace once more….

  12. Can anyone tell me where they get the 4800 years from? A lot of others put the date around 2500 B.C. There is another group claiming that it is 4990 B.C. They are using this date to predict the end of the world! The video of the find of Noah’s Ark looks pretty convincing. Yes, they could have faked it, but why would you?

  13. I looks quite convincing that it is some kind of wooden structure. I have seen some of the videos and they do look real. The only problem is that you don’t see them outside of the structure or area first, so people could say that it is a staged set. It would be fantastic if it could be verified that it was Noah’s Ark.

  14. You would think that they would get someone else in, an independent body to verify the existence of the structure. Unless of course they are restricted by the government in the area. I can understand people making something up to become famous or whatever, but to have such a large crew stage a fake ark, and not have someone from the crew squeal is a little unlikely. I reckon they did find something where they said, whether or not Noah’s ark remains to be seen.

  15. Hmm…

    More ammunition for the non believers…

    Don’t these people know that whether or not the story is true, that its a sin to use Gods name or property for fame or to seek riches??? Woe be unto you ‘good people’ to whom the role fits : )

    But I say to all, the words spoken by the prophet Joel, and also prophesied by Peter

    17 “‘In the last days, God says,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your young men will see visions,
    your old men will dream dreams.
    18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
    I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
    and they will prophesy.
    19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
    and signs on the earth below,
    blood and fire and billows of smoke.
    20 The sun will be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
    21 And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]

    For as much as the Bible does record in several books the strange things that will happen, we ought to beware of the false prophets. They will try their best to deceive one another so there is much confusion and doubt.

    Take heed.

  16. Cool story and looking forward to what this works out to be. Personally I don’t think the Ark would still be on Ararat, it would have been taken a long time ago. For people reading Dutch, visit my website, the Ark, among many other stories, is in my book Anu, Adam, Charles. Go read it.

  17. You see this is the problem with people who go looking for the ark. The thing is the ark wouldv’e been dismantled after the deluge or flood. Since it is the Middle-East and in some parts there are barely any timber to be found. So, if wood was a valued commodity and rare chances are they would have taken it apart and used elsewhere and reusing the materials not letting it sit there and have it wait for people in the 20th century to find it.

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