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		<title>By: MSH</title>
		<link>http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/06/definitions-of-inerrancy/#comment-442</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wooden Inerrancy and the Evangelists Â« The Theological Ramblings of an Anglican Ordinand: What is &quot;the Evangelists Inerrancy&quot; and how is it distinct from &quot;Inerrancy&quot;? (In other words, I couldn&#039;t make sense of this comment).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wooden Inerrancy and the Evangelists Â« The Theological Ramblings of an Anglican Ordinand: What is &#8220;the Evangelists Inerrancy&#8221; and how is it distinct from &#8220;Inerrancy&#8221;? (In other words, I couldn&#8217;t make sense of this comment).</p>
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		<title>By: Wooden Inerrancy and the Evangelists &#171; The Theological Ramblings of an Anglican Ordinand</title>
		<link>http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/06/definitions-of-inerrancy/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Wooden Inerrancy and the Evangelists &#171; The Theological Ramblings of an Anglican Ordinand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Inerrancy and the&#160;Evangelists    Inerrancy is a term which needs clarification by those who still seek to use it. I would probably still [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Biblical Studies Carnival XXXI &#171; Ketuvim: the Writings of James R. Getz Jr.</title>
		<link>http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/06/definitions-of-inerrancy/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Biblical Studies Carnival XXXI &#171; Ketuvim: the Writings of James R. Getz Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the usually incendiary inerrancy debate simmered down, even with posts by Michael S. Eiser (here, here, here and here ) and Peter Enns (here, here, here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MSH</title>
		<link>http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/06/definitions-of-inerrancy/#comment-222</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chet:  Funny one about &quot;Cod&quot; (so much for OCR scans!).  

Your lengthy comment gives us a lot to think about - too much, really!  You bring us several specific trails to follow. So, I&#039;d like to start with it by pulling one item out.  We can always return to the rest.

I decided to put that one item into a new post so others could see it more easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chet:  Funny one about &#8220;Cod&#8221; (so much for OCR scans!).  </p>
<p>Your lengthy comment gives us a lot to think about &#8211; too much, really!  You bring us several specific trails to follow. So, I&#8217;d like to start with it by pulling one item out.  We can always return to the rest.</p>
<p>I decided to put that one item into a new post so others could see it more easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Chet Silvermonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chet Silvermonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I read your required readings. Good to see the great piscine deity Cod making an appearance. I&#039;m pretty sure he&#039;s the Ancient Near Eastern God of Bad OCR. And given his slippery nature, He might just be the Patron God of Inerrancy Statements.

Grudem left himself a LOT of wiggle room in insisting that the protective umbrella of inerrancy only covers the original manuscripts. Since we don&#039;t have a single original manuscript of the Bible, everything can be disputed. Coincidentally, this is exactly what the Mormons teach about the Bible.

I think the greatest wiggle word found in all of the definitions above is &#039;affirm&#039;. I think there must be a secret definition of &#039;affirm&#039; going around the systematic theology circles that I am not aware of. Anything stated positively is an affirmation. &quot;In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth&quot; is an assertion, and therefore an affirmation. For that matter,  so is â€œGod created a firmament to separate the waters under the firmament from the waters aboveâ€ and so is â€œNature shows that long hair on a man is shamefulâ€.  Indeed, that last is an example of BOTH meanings of â€˜affirmâ€™, as it is both a positive statement â€œlong hair on a man is shamefulâ€ and a statement of agreement or support of the assertion â€œNature shows (affirms) thatâ€¦â€.

In this highly nuanced world, how are we to determine what the Bible affirms compared to what it merely asserts? Is all our faith to be put in exegesis? Or is it a charismatic phenomenon, with the Spirit dividing between bone and marrow? (Are the Mormons on the right track, placing their faith in a Prophet rather than a document?)

Take the required reading article on head coverings. So Paul was wrong about the physiology from which he makes his argument. Hair does not function as part of a womanâ€™s sexual apparatus. Does this mean that women donâ€™t need to cover their heads? Or is scripture affirming that women should have their heads covered, while merely asserting that womenâ€™s hair function as genitalia? Who gets to draw the line between assertion and affirmation? It seems that even reading this stellar article, we are left back at square one, with having to choose between obeying the instruction or dismissing it as culturally relative. If anyone feels contentious about it, the church has no other practiceâ€¦

And if we decide that the cultural relativity of Paulâ€™s argument in 1 Corinthians 11 means women donâ€™t have to cover their heads, then what do we make of 1 Timothy 2 that says women shouldnâ€™t teach or have authority over men? One of Paulâ€™s arguments there is based on the order of creation, but your required reading article shows that the biblical view of creation is itself culturally relative. And it becomes difficult to hold to a literal interpretation of the Garden of Eden once the creation account itself has been re-mythologized. So both of Paulâ€™s arguments (i.e. men were created first, and women were deceived first) become suspect as culturally relative remarks. Huzzah, women can now teach!

But wait a minute; doesnâ€™t the author of Hebrews use the same stories of Creation and Fall to discuss the saving work of Christ? The first Adam brought sin into the world, and the second Adam (Christ) brings salvation? And hasnâ€™t our lowest common denominator definition of inerrancy asserted that the Bible affirms everything that is to do with salvation? Oh, now we are in a pickle. We just made Original Sin (and perhaps even the Atonement) a culturally relative doctrine.

Indeed, if everything pertaining to salvation is â€˜affirmedâ€™ rather than merely â€˜assertedâ€™, doesnâ€™t this bring into doubt our dismissal of 1 Timothy 2, since it concludes the section on women not teaching by saying â€˜she shall be saved (soizdo)  through childbearingâ€™? Well, that certainly sounds like it has something to do with salvation. Ok, sorry women. No teaching for you. And maybe you need to cover your heads as well.

I have a hard time with the lowest-common-denominator inerrancy which defines â€˜affirmâ€™ narrowly to statements about salvation, with everything else up for grabs. It seems somehow too selfish. On some level, isnâ€™t scripture about learning how to serve God (rather than just learning how He is going to save us)?

Another difficulty raised by the separation of fact and Truth is that the deutero-canonical books need to be reconsidered. External criteria (such as Judith claiming that Nebuchadnezzar was the king of Assyria instead of Babylon) canâ€™t be used to discredit the books. (Indeed, isnâ€™t it possible that in the Seleucid period, when much of Israelâ€™s troubles came from the direction of Syria that moving Nebuchadnezzar to Syria served a literary function that has nothing to do with relaying â€˜factsâ€™?) And internal criteria are trickier to use as well. For example, the Prayer of Manasseh was discredited by the Protestants for â€˜assertingâ€™ that the patriarchs were sinless. But if we realize that 1) not every verse is meant to be a logical proposition, and 2) that readers of the Hebrew Bible would actually be familiar with the â€˜sins of the fathersâ€™, and 3) the point of the beautiful prayer is to â€˜affirmâ€™ that God made the law as a blessing for the common man, not just the heroes of the faith, then it needs must follow that the Protestant rejection of the Prayer isnâ€™t based on a definition of inerrancy that we ourselves hold anymore, but rather based on ideas of propositional logic that we ourselves reject. If neither internal nor external criteria are all that helpful in determining canonicity, then all we have is faith in the traditions of the church that somehow they â€˜got it rightâ€™. Take THAT â€˜Sola Scripturaâ€™! Iâ€™d like to be the first to welcome Manasseh back into the canon. Excuse me while I go kill the fatted calf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I read your required readings. Good to see the great piscine deity Cod making an appearance. I&#8217;m pretty sure he&#8217;s the Ancient Near Eastern God of Bad OCR. And given his slippery nature, He might just be the Patron God of Inerrancy Statements.</p>
<p>Grudem left himself a LOT of wiggle room in insisting that the protective umbrella of inerrancy only covers the original manuscripts. Since we don&#8217;t have a single original manuscript of the Bible, everything can be disputed. Coincidentally, this is exactly what the Mormons teach about the Bible.</p>
<p>I think the greatest wiggle word found in all of the definitions above is &#8216;affirm&#8217;. I think there must be a secret definition of &#8216;affirm&#8217; going around the systematic theology circles that I am not aware of. Anything stated positively is an affirmation. &#8220;In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth&#8221; is an assertion, and therefore an affirmation. For that matter,  so is â€œGod created a firmament to separate the waters under the firmament from the waters aboveâ€ and so is â€œNature shows that long hair on a man is shamefulâ€.  Indeed, that last is an example of BOTH meanings of â€˜affirmâ€™, as it is both a positive statement â€œlong hair on a man is shamefulâ€ and a statement of agreement or support of the assertion â€œNature shows (affirms) thatâ€¦â€.</p>
<p>In this highly nuanced world, how are we to determine what the Bible affirms compared to what it merely asserts? Is all our faith to be put in exegesis? Or is it a charismatic phenomenon, with the Spirit dividing between bone and marrow? (Are the Mormons on the right track, placing their faith in a Prophet rather than a document?)</p>
<p>Take the required reading article on head coverings. So Paul was wrong about the physiology from which he makes his argument. Hair does not function as part of a womanâ€™s sexual apparatus. Does this mean that women donâ€™t need to cover their heads? Or is scripture affirming that women should have their heads covered, while merely asserting that womenâ€™s hair function as genitalia? Who gets to draw the line between assertion and affirmation? It seems that even reading this stellar article, we are left back at square one, with having to choose between obeying the instruction or dismissing it as culturally relative. If anyone feels contentious about it, the church has no other practiceâ€¦</p>
<p>And if we decide that the cultural relativity of Paulâ€™s argument in 1 Corinthians 11 means women donâ€™t have to cover their heads, then what do we make of 1 Timothy 2 that says women shouldnâ€™t teach or have authority over men? One of Paulâ€™s arguments there is based on the order of creation, but your required reading article shows that the biblical view of creation is itself culturally relative. And it becomes difficult to hold to a literal interpretation of the Garden of Eden once the creation account itself has been re-mythologized. So both of Paulâ€™s arguments (i.e. men were created first, and women were deceived first) become suspect as culturally relative remarks. Huzzah, women can now teach!</p>
<p>But wait a minute; doesnâ€™t the author of Hebrews use the same stories of Creation and Fall to discuss the saving work of Christ? The first Adam brought sin into the world, and the second Adam (Christ) brings salvation? And hasnâ€™t our lowest common denominator definition of inerrancy asserted that the Bible affirms everything that is to do with salvation? Oh, now we are in a pickle. We just made Original Sin (and perhaps even the Atonement) a culturally relative doctrine.</p>
<p>Indeed, if everything pertaining to salvation is â€˜affirmedâ€™ rather than merely â€˜assertedâ€™, doesnâ€™t this bring into doubt our dismissal of 1 Timothy 2, since it concludes the section on women not teaching by saying â€˜she shall be saved (soizdo)  through childbearingâ€™? Well, that certainly sounds like it has something to do with salvation. Ok, sorry women. No teaching for you. And maybe you need to cover your heads as well.</p>
<p>I have a hard time with the lowest-common-denominator inerrancy which defines â€˜affirmâ€™ narrowly to statements about salvation, with everything else up for grabs. It seems somehow too selfish. On some level, isnâ€™t scripture about learning how to serve God (rather than just learning how He is going to save us)?</p>
<p>Another difficulty raised by the separation of fact and Truth is that the deutero-canonical books need to be reconsidered. External criteria (such as Judith claiming that Nebuchadnezzar was the king of Assyria instead of Babylon) canâ€™t be used to discredit the books. (Indeed, isnâ€™t it possible that in the Seleucid period, when much of Israelâ€™s troubles came from the direction of Syria that moving Nebuchadnezzar to Syria served a literary function that has nothing to do with relaying â€˜factsâ€™?) And internal criteria are trickier to use as well. For example, the Prayer of Manasseh was discredited by the Protestants for â€˜assertingâ€™ that the patriarchs were sinless. But if we realize that 1) not every verse is meant to be a logical proposition, and 2) that readers of the Hebrew Bible would actually be familiar with the â€˜sins of the fathersâ€™, and 3) the point of the beautiful prayer is to â€˜affirmâ€™ that God made the law as a blessing for the common man, not just the heroes of the faith, then it needs must follow that the Protestant rejection of the Prayer isnâ€™t based on a definition of inerrancy that we ourselves hold anymore, but rather based on ideas of propositional logic that we ourselves reject. If neither internal nor external criteria are all that helpful in determining canonicity, then all we have is faith in the traditions of the church that somehow they â€˜got it rightâ€™. Take THAT â€˜Sola Scripturaâ€™! Iâ€™d like to be the first to welcome Manasseh back into the canon. Excuse me while I go kill the fatted calf.</p>
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