Comments on: Accounting for Rare Instances of Dictation (Response) http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/10/accounting-for-rare-instances-of-dictation-response/ Biblical theology, stripped bare of denominational confessions and theological systems Tue, 22 May 2012 03:12:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: MSH http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/10/accounting-for-rare-instances-of-dictation-response/#comment-465 MSH Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:30:07 +0000 http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/?p=65#comment-465 @Dave Rymenave: no problem on the name - it's not the first time! @Dave Rymenave: no problem on the name – it’s not the first time!

]]> By: Dave Rymenave http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/10/accounting-for-rare-instances-of-dictation-response/#comment-459 Dave Rymenave Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:58:43 +0000 http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/?p=65#comment-459 Dictation is the lowest form of information processing. A person who reconstructs the learning he or she has acquired (and can restate it and apply it) has a better grasp on the concept. A person taking dictation (which at times is necessary) is basically a human tape recorder; his or her most important quality is the skill of accurate re-transmission. The tablets upon which the Commandments were written must also have the ability to retain its new grooves. The Law was so deeply etched into Moses' heart he probably didn't have to bother taking the tablets out of the acacia box he consructed for them - of course he should not have dared to do that. The fact that the tablets were incredibly inaccessible might tell us something about relying upon the exact wording rather than the "Spirit of the Law." -Dave Rymenave Dictation is the lowest form of information processing. A person who reconstructs the learning he or she has acquired (and can restate it and apply it) has a better grasp on the concept.

A person taking dictation (which at times is necessary) is basically a human tape recorder; his or her most important quality is the skill of accurate re-transmission. The tablets upon which the Commandments were written must also have the ability to retain its new grooves.

The Law was so deeply etched into Moses’ heart he probably didn’t have to bother taking the tablets out of the acacia box he consructed for them – of course he should not have dared to do that.

The fact that the tablets were incredibly inaccessible might tell us something about relying upon the exact wording rather than the “Spirit of the Law.”

-Dave Rymenave

]]> By: Dave Rymenave http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/10/accounting-for-rare-instances-of-dictation-response/#comment-458 Dave Rymenave Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:47:51 +0000 http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/?p=65#comment-458 Heiser: sorry about the name (I realized my mistake shortly after posting and did not know how to go back and change it); for restitution you can call me "nave"! The more I think about it the more I like the idea of God's words being "dynamic" and not "static" God did not need to restate the commandments after the exile because the precident was already set. A learned teacher of the Law could read Deut.5 and conclude that, though God's laws do not change, the circumstances of God's people dictate that the Law be applied differently. Supposing the 10 Commandments were given to us today the subsequent examples would include modern coveteousness and situations (as I implied before). You're right, of course, about the massive change in lifestyle and perspective which the returning Jews must have confronted. It is what it is, unless some new extant text shows up in a cave somewhere! Heiser: sorry about the name (I realized my mistake shortly after posting and did not know how to go back and change it); for restitution you can call me “nave”!

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of God’s words being “dynamic” and not “static”

God did not need to restate the commandments after the exile because the precident was already set. A learned teacher of the Law could read Deut.5 and conclude that, though God’s laws do not change, the circumstances of God’s people dictate that the Law be applied differently.

Supposing the 10 Commandments were given to us today the subsequent examples would include modern coveteousness and situations (as I implied before).

You’re right, of course, about the massive change in lifestyle and perspective which the returning Jews must have confronted. It is what it is, unless some new extant text shows up in a cave somewhere!

]]> By: MSH http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/10/accounting-for-rare-instances-of-dictation-response/#comment-450 MSH Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:37:50 +0000 http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/?p=65#comment-450 @Dave Rymenave: one of course has to wonder why they weren't changed more often - every time a historical circumstance changed. How about when they came back to the land and had no temple? That would seem to have been a good time to change some rules. The community itself, of course, did this, without any need of dictation. And if Moses changed the words "led by the Holy Spirit" that doesn't require dictation - which was the point of the exercise. And it's "Heiser" - not "Heisner" @Dave Rymenave: one of course has to wonder why they weren’t changed more often – every time a historical circumstance changed. How about when they came back to the land and had no temple? That would seem to have been a good time to change some rules. The community itself, of course, did this, without any need of dictation.

And if Moses changed the words “led by the Holy Spirit” that doesn’t require dictation – which was the point of the exercise.

And it’s “Heiser” – not “Heisner”

]]> By: Dave Rymenave http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2008/10/accounting-for-rare-instances-of-dictation-response/#comment-445 Dave Rymenave Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:20:46 +0000 http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/?p=65#comment-445 Heisner & Readers: The differences between Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy Five are telling. What do they tell? Deuteronomy is a set of three "sermons" given to the Israelites 40-years after they received the original commandments. The people had now accrued wealth/chattel through their battle victories and were in a different set of circumstances. Moses was reminding the children of the original Egyptian slaves not to "lord it over" their own newly-acquired slaves. In addition, some of them had recently acquired land on the eastern side of the Jordan river and the rest of them (except the Levites) were about to get land on the west side. Moses "changed" the wording of the Ten Commandments in Deut. 5 slightly so that it would apply to his hearers (most of which had not heard the first version spoken by the voice of God from Mt. Horeb). Did he misquote God? No, I think Moses knew (and the Holy Spirit inspiring him knew) exactly the perfect way to teach the law. If Moses was here in N.America he would have a few more additions for us uberconsumers. -Dave Rymenave Heisner & Readers:
The differences between Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy Five are telling. What do they tell? Deuteronomy is a set of three “sermons” given to the Israelites 40-years after they received the original commandments. The people had now accrued wealth/chattel through their battle victories and were in a different set of circumstances.
Moses was reminding the children of the original Egyptian slaves not to “lord it over” their own newly-acquired slaves. In addition, some of them had recently acquired land on the eastern side of the Jordan river and the rest of them (except the Levites) were about to get land on the west side.
Moses “changed” the wording of the Ten Commandments in Deut. 5 slightly so that it would apply to his hearers (most of which had not heard the first version spoken by the voice of God from Mt. Horeb). Did he misquote God? No, I think Moses knew (and the Holy Spirit inspiring him knew) exactly the perfect way to teach the law.
If Moses was here in N.America he would have a few more additions for us uberconsumers.
-Dave Rymenave

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