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		<title>By: MSH</title>
		<link>http://michaelsheiser.com/UFOReligions/2008/12/alien-demonology-its-christian-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>MSH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christian: Yes, you&#039;re a bit misled, most likely because your resources are so limited (probably using Strong&#039;s or Vine&#039;s).  &quot;Demon&quot; (Hebrew, shed; Akkadian, shadu) is actually a fairly enigmatic word. It only occurs three times in the Hebrew Bible, and ALWAYS in the plural.  That&#039;s an important note.  In Akkadian, the singular can be a &quot;good&quot; being&quot; but is often evil when pluralized.  The basic meaning is some sort of &quot;spirit&quot;. The word (to quote HALOT, the leading lexicon of biblical Hebrew): can mean either &quot;a) beneficial, protecting spirit; b) malevolent demon.&quot;
Koehler, L., Baumgartner, W., Richardson, M., &amp; Stamm, J. J. (1999, c1994-1996). The Hebrew and Aramaic lexicon of the Old Testament. Volumes 1-4 combined in one electronic edition. (electronic ed.) (1417). Leiden;  New York: E.J. Brill.

In short, it is a context-dependent word.  In this it is VERY much like Greek daimon (or daimonion), which is a neutral term in and of itself - it refers to some sort of &quot;otherworldly&quot; spirit, good or bad, and has even broader meanings as well.  In the NT, positive references would be rare or non-extant, depending on one&#039;s interpretation of certain passages.  It&#039;s typically sinister, though.  Now, Greek &quot;diabolos&quot; (&quot;devil&quot;) is far less ambiguous.

One last note.  In the Deir Alla texts (going from memory here, but I think those are the ones), the Shaddayin are a group of gods.  This form is the equivalent of shedim in Hebrew (Deir Alla is Aramaic). This is much like the linkage between the shedim as elohim in Deut 32:17.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christian: Yes, you&#8217;re a bit misled, most likely because your resources are so limited (probably using Strong&#8217;s or Vine&#8217;s).  &#8220;Demon&#8221; (Hebrew, shed; Akkadian, shadu) is actually a fairly enigmatic word. It only occurs three times in the Hebrew Bible, and ALWAYS in the plural.  That&#8217;s an important note.  In Akkadian, the singular can be a &#8220;good&#8221; being&#8221; but is often evil when pluralized.  The basic meaning is some sort of &#8220;spirit&#8221;. The word (to quote HALOT, the leading lexicon of biblical Hebrew): can mean either &#8220;a) beneficial, protecting spirit; b) malevolent demon.&#8221;<br />
Koehler, L., Baumgartner, W., Richardson, M., &#038; Stamm, J. J. (1999, c1994-1996). The Hebrew and Aramaic lexicon of the Old Testament. Volumes 1-4 combined in one electronic edition. (electronic ed.) (1417). Leiden;  New York: E.J. Brill.</p>
<p>In short, it is a context-dependent word.  In this it is VERY much like Greek daimon (or daimonion), which is a neutral term in and of itself &#8211; it refers to some sort of &#8220;otherworldly&#8221; spirit, good or bad, and has even broader meanings as well.  In the NT, positive references would be rare or non-extant, depending on one&#8217;s interpretation of certain passages.  It&#8217;s typically sinister, though.  Now, Greek &#8220;diabolos&#8221; (&#8220;devil&#8221;) is far less ambiguous.</p>
<p>One last note.  In the Deir Alla texts (going from memory here, but I think those are the ones), the Shaddayin are a group of gods.  This form is the equivalent of shedim in Hebrew (Deir Alla is Aramaic). This is much like the linkage between the shedim as elohim in Deut 32:17.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly: I am NOT a &quot;Scholar&quot;, and so, I am simply sharing my findings, and conclusions.

I thought to seek the roots of the term &quot;demon&quot;, and, since Paleo-Hebrew preceded Greek, I checked the Hebrew term, and found &quot;sh&#039;ed&quot; = shade; #7700 (a demon - as malignant), -- devil. From the prim. root, #7736: shu^wd; prop. &quot;to swell up&quot;, i.e. figuratively (by implication of insolence), to devastate -- waste. 

Clearly, neither of these holds any semblance of a connotation of &quot;good&quot;; therefore, the Greek derivative, bearing BOTH connotations seems questionable, at best, and erroneous at worst. 

I would be interested as to what the Septuigent[sp?] Translators deemed the proper Greek transliterations/translations for these two words. Needless to say, the mere absence of &quot;good&quot; in the Hebrew descriptions of these beings, lays the firm foundation for the continuous connotation of evil in these spirits, from the very begining, as, clearly, Paleo-Hebrew far predates BOTH the Greek, (as well as the subsequent Christian Theological), influence over the (value/spiritual essence), connotation of these entities. 

Therefore, from the git-go, I find this gentleman&#039;s conclusion questionable at best. But! 

Is this a fair determination Michael? Or, am I being misled by my ignorance of the languages? 

BTW, thanks for your labors of love in providing us a venue of learning, and thus, expanding of our understanding of the Scriptural meanings, that we can get nowhere else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly: I am NOT a &#8220;Scholar&#8221;, and so, I am simply sharing my findings, and conclusions.</p>
<p>I thought to seek the roots of the term &#8220;demon&#8221;, and, since Paleo-Hebrew preceded Greek, I checked the Hebrew term, and found &#8220;sh&#8217;ed&#8221; = shade; #7700 (a demon &#8211; as malignant), &#8212; devil. From the prim. root, #7736: shu^wd; prop. &#8220;to swell up&#8221;, i.e. figuratively (by implication of insolence), to devastate &#8212; waste. </p>
<p>Clearly, neither of these holds any semblance of a connotation of &#8220;good&#8221;; therefore, the Greek derivative, bearing BOTH connotations seems questionable, at best, and erroneous at worst. </p>
<p>I would be interested as to what the Septuigent[sp?] Translators deemed the proper Greek transliterations/translations for these two words. Needless to say, the mere absence of &#8220;good&#8221; in the Hebrew descriptions of these beings, lays the firm foundation for the continuous connotation of evil in these spirits, from the very begining, as, clearly, Paleo-Hebrew far predates BOTH the Greek, (as well as the subsequent Christian Theological), influence over the (value/spiritual essence), connotation of these entities. </p>
<p>Therefore, from the git-go, I find this gentleman&#8217;s conclusion questionable at best. But! </p>
<p>Is this a fair determination Michael? Or, am I being misled by my ignorance of the languages? </p>
<p>BTW, thanks for your labors of love in providing us a venue of learning, and thus, expanding of our understanding of the Scriptural meanings, that we can get nowhere else!</p>
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